Alice Bumgarner, editor of Administrative Professional Today and contributing writer for Executive Leadership, has been writing about workplace and family issues for 13 years. Her articles have appeared in dozens of publications, including http://Salon.com, http://MSN.com, Continental magazine, Southern Living and Town & Country. She lives in Durham, N.C., with her husband, two daughters and dog Milo.
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said this on 07 Nov 2008 12:40:32 PM EST
Why are you doing something you hate? It is not mandatory. Don't go.
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said this on 07 Nov 2008 12:59:23 PM EST
I opted not to go to our Christmas Party last year because while I have to be pleasant and get along with everyone in the office I do not have to tolerate their behavior after work hours. I go to work to work and keep my nose to the grindstone while I am on the time clock. One particular office worker runs her mouth from the moment she walks in the door until she leaves. She does not make any attempt to be nice unless upper management are visable. I do my job, do it well and keep my personal business personal as it should be - I do not share this at work and have no interest in what so-and-so watched on TV last night, where she & her boyfriend went over the weekend, etc. I am not her friend - I am a co-worker. So don't go if you are not comfortable.
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said this on 07 Nov 2008 1:48:39 PM EST
I agree completely. Life is too short to tolerate an uncomfortable situation.
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said this on 07 Nov 2008 1:12:52 PM EST
As someone who works in HR, I would say that your management would like to know that their parties are not very fun for everyone due to the groups that don't tend to want to include everyone in the company. Perhaps they can include some games that encourage everyone to mix and eventually feel more comfortable with one another. Sometimes the managers have to lead by example and bring people together!!
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said this on 11 Nov 2008 8:31:39 AM EST
Ah but what do you do when the HR person is part of the problem
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said this on 07 Nov 2008 1:16:21 PM EST
A, company outings are often not mandatory. In the 10 years I have been at my firm, I have only attended 2 during the first two years of my tenure. Like JDD, I am here to work, to earn a living. My company is not my life. I prefer to enjoy life outside of the firm, which does not include my cooworkers (most of them). Often times, our Winter party conflicts with my home schedule and some times, I am just not interested in fellowshipping the way they do. ou don't have to make up excuses for not going. It is your choice. No one asks if we can get up in the morning; we just do. It is a choice. So, be independent, be confident and don't compromise your choices for the sake of others. Be true to your self.
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said this on 07 Nov 2008 1:19:11 PM EST
I agree with Linda. See if others feel the same way, and if there are several of you who feel frustrated that is the same old thing every year, talk to the planners to see if it can be changed. We started do to this a few years ago. Instead of a boring Christmas dinner at a restaurant, we now have games at the event. We have played The Newlywed Game, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire (with employees as the contestants, obviously), and this year we had the event at a restaurant that has one of those Murder Mystery Dinners. I was like you, dreading these events. But now I find them to be a lot of fun, since it is new and exciting every year.
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said this on 07 Nov 2008 1:20:22 PM EST
And I thought I was the only one who hated going to company functions. Last year's holiday party was such an unpleasant experience that I promised myself I will never attend another company function and subject myself to that kind of misery again. For the evening get-togethers, I use "family commitments" as an excuse. For the functions that take place during the daytime, I schedule my medical and dental appointments on those days or take a sick or vacation day. Angela, life is too short to waste another minute doing things you'd rather not do or spending time with people who make you uncomfortable.
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said this on 07 Nov 2008 1:25:31 PM EST
I face this challenge every year at Christmas time. I feel that if I want to participate, and put my personal time on hold to attend a non-mandatory work event, then whatever I want to do should be my choice. I do not attend these events, due to my wanting to be with my family at this time of year, not those whom I work with 8-9 hours a day.
It isn't that I don't like the people I work with, as a matter of a fact I like them very much. I would just rather be with my family. It should not have any effect on your job or your standing with in a company, if it isn't mandatory. |
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said this on 07 Nov 2008 3:27:26 PM EST
If you are within your first year or two at your company, I would recommend attending the event. New employees who do not attend such events are often seen as antisocial, standoffish, or stuck up. After attending all non-mandatory company functions for the first year or two, don't bother with attendng any others. By that time, people at your workplace will know you well and won't think twice that you're not there.
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said this on 07 Nov 2008 10:19:05 PM EST
Angela, I know how you feel, I have felt that way many, many times before. But, I had to suffer some of the events. I did by changing my perspective. I wanted to grow in the company, I wanted to become a manager. So, I placed myself on that path. I took on more responsibilities and I went to company events, stayed a little time, about 90 minutes then leave. That satisfied my obligation and I left and that was it.
So, as I said its up to you, ask yourself, what is your goal within the company. |
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said this on 09 Nov 2008 3:05:52 PM EST
John and Miriam are closest to my advice. No, you don't HAVE to go to company-sponsored outings, but when you don't, it is ... noticed. Sure, it isn't supposed to affect your career track, but bosses cannot help but take the whole "works and plays well with others" dynamic into account when raises and promotions are being considered.
Remember, this isn't high school. You may think they're clicque-ish; they may feel YOU are standoff-ish, or not think they have much in common with you. They may be huddled together because that is their comfort zone. Try a little small talk, a little (genuine, please) admiration. Make a point of being pleasant. If your first overtures don't succeed, move on and try again. SMILE. You might chip off some of that ice. You might even end up enjoying yourself. |
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said this on 14 Nov 2008 3:56:09 PM EST
What if there is a cover charge?
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said this on 10 Nov 2008 8:28:15 AM EST
I have mixed feelings about this question. I do agree that if you are new it is best to go to the function, especially the holiday party. You don't want people to get the wrong impression of you and how dedicated you might be. It is also a good way to meet people, you could always leave early if you do not like the behavior of others after a few cocktails. I do also agree that maybe you talk with the HR department or your manager if that is more comfortable because events are usually quite expensive and if no one is having a good time than they would probably want to know that. Here it is the managers that are responsible to make sure everyone is having a good time and keeping things organized.
If the majority of the group is having a good time and you feel yourself that it is not a good time, than maybe try and go. Make it a goal of your own to meet people and become more outgoing. If you feel like an outcast amoungst your coworkers and make no attempt to become included that that is how things will stay. I agree with MannyHats on this one. On both issues, trying to enjoys yourself even if being outgoing is out of your comfort zone, and realizing that you might not like it but your lack of attendance IS noticed and you might be closing doors that you didn't even know could be open. Good Luck |
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said this on 10 Nov 2008 11:42:10 AM EST
My company is privately held and our owner's wife takes great pride in the dramatic preparations for having the Christmas party at a nice hotel with all the bells and whistles. They have assigned seating and I never get to sit with my friends and the entire party is one I endure every year - some years better - some years worse. I would much rather pass on this event altogether, but I could not get out of it without appearing like a spoil sport and a dissenter (I think we are expected to be grateful).
My point here is even though I don't like it one bit, I still show up, put on my plastic smile, clap at all the appropriate times, eat a nice meal and go home. You are always noticed when you make a point of not showing up for company events. I would rather be uncomfortable for a couple of hours than spend all that time and energy dodging an event that could possibly hurt my career or have me appear as less than a team player. This is just my opinion - "suck it up and go" :) |
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said this on 10 Nov 2008 3:33:17 PM EST
I too hate to attend these functions - even more so when they make you into fools acting out scenes, singing and playing games!
I go because ours are always held during work hours and if you don't go you have to use leave time. I also go because I know that the people who organized it worked really hard and I consider them friends (some anyway). Besides, I also agree that it is noticed when you NEVER attend anything, just the same as if you always help! We have a couple of staff that always schedule time off when anything like this is going on and I notice so I am sure that the bosses do too. I think it would be nice for a change to have a party with spouses that was not during work hours but I doubt that many would show up at all then - honetly! I swallow my gripes and go - occasionally it is kind of fun! |
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said this on 14 Nov 2008 3:36:54 PM EST
This is a risky thing for your company to do. It is making it required to attend if you want to get paid. If someone gets hurt or drinks too much they could be liable.
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said this on 12 Nov 2008 12:23:28 PM EST
My suggestion: have something else planned for that day---another party, a concert, a sporting event for your favorite nephew. Go to the party for 30 minutes, have a glass of wine or club soda, then excuse yourself to go to your other event. That way you get the best of both worlds because, unfortunately, it is noticed when you don't go.
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said this on 14 Nov 2008 3:24:44 PM EST
Wow... I'm sure if many of you truly feel this way, please do yourself, and others, a favor and stay home. I'm serious and not be sarcastic at all. As someone that spends countless work and personal hours listening to suggestions, making the arrangements for the events, and planning every last detail of these events throughout the year, I would personally prefer those that have a sour attitude, stay home. It takes thousands of dollars to put on any event for my company. This year, we're really scaling back and having a more intimate family get together for the holidays. Instead of a grand dinner and dancing and expensive entertainers, we're doing an evening BBQ event where the children and freinds are invited. Yes, Santa is coming to visit with the kids too. In these tough economic times, I'm just a bit surprised of the ungrateful responses I'm hearing. It's rather sad really if you think about it. Perhaps I'm just thankful that I'm still employed. =\
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said this on 14 Nov 2008 3:40:31 PM EST
I agree - the companies do it not because they HAVE to, but they WANT to do something nice for the employees.
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said this on 14 Nov 2008 4:05:33 PM EST
Kristi,
I also am thankful I have a job. We try to plan simple events at a local park and do a potluck so the kids can have something to do - we have quite a brood between all of us, but a wide age range - and the adults can relax. I also know how hard it is to plan something like this. My employer has 500 employees, so we break ours down to departmental get-togethers and we have a solid relationship within our department. Our up-chain has tried several times to get all of us together, but we don't feel we really have anything in common with their staff. |
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said this on 14 Nov 2008 4:09:01 PM EST
Kristi, you sound exactly like the woman who chairs the committee for our holiday party. This year, I volunteered to be on the committee. Never again! Even though I was given the title of "co-chair," she made all the decisions herself anyway, never kept anyone in the loop, made side deals with this one and that one while the other one didn't even know what was going on.... then she sits and complains that no one wants to work with her or attend the events that she organizes.
A little humility would do you wonders. |
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said this on 16 Nov 2008 9:35:59 AM EST
I agree 100% With Kristi. Stay home whinners. Maybe you could do something about enjoying yourself instead of complaining and blaming others for your unhappiness. Be proactive and suggest ways to enhance the experience instead of hiding on the other side of an internet connection.
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said this on 17 Nov 2008 8:37:23 AM EST
Steve, this website is not for hiding but for suggestions and helps. Our group of "fun Committee" crew are the ones who end up drunk and stupid at these events. Trying to talk them to suggest alternative plans is like throwing pearls to swines. So, question was raised and comments are made as to whether one should really be obligated to go and responses are given of what we experienced. Perhaps you are one of those on the "fun committee" who fail to listen to suggestions and are offended when you realize that there are many who'd rather not attend these ill planned events than those who who want to get slashed up and wasted. I agree with John A. A little humility would do you wonders.
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said this on 17 Nov 2008 7:57:29 AM EST
Kristi, it's unfortunate that you sum up not wanting to be at a party as being ungrateful. No so. Our livestyles are different and our "let your hair down and hang out" styles are different as well. I don't drink, smoke, use curse words, foul language and avoid intentional insults that hurts people but no one will say much because it is coming from upper management. The Scripture says to be kind to one another and to love one another. It also says to keep our words pure and simple. Not to be drunkards of wine and debauchery. In line with these, it is easier to not participate in events, especially outside of the office hours to keep yourself pure and clean rather than subject your ears and heart to unnecessary language. Furthermore, you cannot change others, and you one should not try. If others want to follow your life style that is okay, but you cannot dictate others to follow yours. Having said all that, while we are grateful for the jobs we have, ultimately, we are only answerable to one Authority in the end and sometimes, it is better to be the "odd ball" in the crowd here than to be rejected in the ends of times. For those who feel that you need to compromise your belief, faith or lifestyle for the sake of getting ahead - think on this - if God truly wants you to have this job, no one can stop you from attaining it - not even your boss who might also be the owner of the company. Is anything too hard for the Lord? A little faith took little lonely David to not only conquer Goliath, but also Israel. Be true to who you are and God will take you places you thought you'd never attain.
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said this on 14 Nov 2008 3:28:22 PM EST
I feel the same as Ronda H - I love the people I work with but I already spend way more time with them each week then I get to spend with my family. However, If you are trying to grow your career and move up the ladder, you should consider these mandatory unless you really do have something else scheduled. I think the best advice is to make an appearance, even 30 minutes, and make sure you connect with the host, compliment the people who put it together and make sure you are seen by your manager. Smile, tell them you are late for your kid's school play, and leave.
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said this on 14 Nov 2008 3:30:18 PM EST
I enjoy attending functions that are held during business hours - luncheons, mainly - but for evening events it is a different story. We have a large place now & livestock to tend. My spouse travels much of the time. I got tired of making excuses at the office and simply said, "We just can no longer accept weeknight invitations." That has reduced our stress considerably. When we lived in a subdivision and didn't have animals to care for, we enjoyed going out during the week but now it is really a burden. We live way out in the sticks now. Also, like many others we never imagined that gas would end up costing so much and that is a factor also. Anyway, my employer has been understanding about it & that is a great relief.
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said this on 14 Nov 2008 4:01:38 PM EST
Hey CountryGirl,
Don't be surprised if someone pops up with a notion for a summer BBQ at your new place, complete with animal petting zoo for their kids. City people don't seem to understand what it takes to run a place and I don't know how many times my childhood "city" friends wanted to come out and stay for a weekend to "pet" our calves, piglets, and chicks. It is such a phenomenon for them - and I grew up in a small rural community. My boss lives 25 miles from the office, 10 miles up a mountain, so we don't even think about his place. But there are only a few staff who lives "in town," so we end up doing a potluck at one of the parks. The kids have things to do and the adults can relax. |
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said this on 14 Nov 2008 5:00:49 PM EST
Hey, if the company will pay for the caterer and a good cleaning crew, I'll drink to that! 8-)
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said this on 14 Nov 2008 3:30:40 PM EST
I really hate these events but am forced to plan them so be default I need to attend. I always tried to keep it simple, we would have a nice sit-down dinner and everyone had a choice to go home after dinner or stay on for drinks. Now I have a new boss who micromanages everything I do including these events, so now I have to make all of the arrangements according to what she wants and still have to attend.
I already see my coworkers more than I see my spouse and I really do not want to spend more time with them than I need to. Fortunately, there is only one holiday party and one summer picnic that I need to attend. I do think it is important to attend, management does notice these things. |
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said this on 14 Nov 2008 3:40:46 PM EST
I too do not enjoy work holiday parties. Ours is always held offsite in the evening, at an upscale hotel, dress is black tie. Everyone spends hundreds of dollars on their outfits and hair/makeup. To make it worse you have to pay for your spouse to go. Participation declines every year. Did I mention I work in HR? However, we are not involved with the holiday party planning. I am involved with the employees, work many hours and attend event's that are during working hours. I dont feel I should have to attend this event to show that I am a social person and have been very successful in my career with my current employer.
I'd rather save the money and spend the time with my family. |
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said this on 14 Nov 2008 3:42:32 PM EST
What if there is a cover charge for the holiday party? Do you still think you should go?
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said this on 14 Nov 2008 5:23:08 PM EST
You shouldn't be obligated to go especially if there is a charge. I work as staff in higher education. As staff, we really don't care to go to the holiday luncheon but it is a nice way to get out of the office and the faculty pay for our lunches as part of our holiday gift. We have no input on where the faculty have the lunch so when they asked us to pay for it one year we all said sorry. There was just no way on our small salaries that we could afford the luncheon plate fee.
If you really hate going or can't afford to go, there should be no reason why you should. |
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said this on 14 Nov 2008 3:48:00 PM EST
I am sorry, but what would most of you who do not appreciate any event at work say if the company did absolutely nothing to recognize the holidays or you at all. Would you feel appreciated then? I doubt it. Why complain, OMG your boss wants to treat you to dinner and thank you for all your hard work, how dare they....
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said this on 14 Nov 2008 4:16:48 PM EST
Another malcontent in the crowd, I see. If your holiday parties/picnics/etc are anything like ours, its nothing more than a chance for cliques and groups of people to have the opportunity to directly snub those they don't like because they're not "at work" and aren't held to a standard of "office civility." I know a woman that I work with who smiles in my face and makes chit chat every day of the year in the office, but will ignore me and look the other way if I say "hello" at an after-hours or weekend work function.
Your problem with other people is, by definition, your problem...not theirs. |
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said this on 14 Nov 2008 3:56:29 PM EST
I work for a small company (100+ employees). I generally do not like to attend company functions. Sometimes I attend and other times I do not. I see my co workers enough and would probably never socialize with them in any other venue. I try to have other plans for the evening of the event.
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said this on 14 Nov 2008 4:07:57 PM EST
I worked for a very small company where the owners loved to ski. The company outing consisted of an all day ski trip. As I don't like to ski (yes, I know how), don't like the cold and didn't want to be gone from 4:30 am to 8:00pm I elected not to go. Since I was the only one who didn't go, I was told that since I didn't want to participate, I could stay and work that day-covering everyone else's jobs.
Needless to say I no longer work there! |
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said this on 14 Nov 2008 5:17:38 PM EST
Forced cameraderie leaves me cold. If a group of co-workers want to get together to go ski or bowl (or whatever), that's great. But to feel PRESSURED to go somewhere on one's own time (particularly if one is an hourly worker, not "management,") can be uncomfortable or expensive or conflict with personal commitments or (in my case) interfere with BEDTIME. (I should have signed myself OLD CountryGirl.) Perhaps the solution is to let individuals choose WHAT form of recognition they prefer and for the employer to make it crystal clear that there is absolutely no expectation that everyone attend but that those that wish to are welcome to do so. But you know what? A lot of these highly orchestrated events provide a tax break for the employer...I DO think it is preposterous to specify "black tie" and formal attire unless attendance is TOTALLY voluntary. It's just proof that those who dream up these events are completely out of touch with the economic challenges facing the average worker.
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said this on 14 Nov 2008 5:31:02 PM EST
In answer to Jean...a cover charge that is asnine of your company to host a party and want you to pay a cover charge!
I have been the "hostess" for every company picnic, dinner or holiday party for almost 15 years, yes they are a lot of work and I am usually "working" through the whole event and No I don't like all of my coworkers but I still go, enjoy myself even though I am "working" and tell the boss thank you for everything! I figure I can give up one night a year for my job, my husband's employer is bigger than mine and they have had 1 holiday party and 1 picnic in 25 years. This year they have cut back on holiday parties and only management and corporate staff will be having one and if you don't think this hasn't caused some rumblings the hourly employees are getting a lunch and small gift card...not quite the same as dinner & dancing with their spouse. If nothing else at least put in an appearance as it is noticed when you don't attend company functions! |
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said this on 14 Nov 2008 6:02:27 PM EST
I think the "population declines every year" comment that someone made is a CLUE. These functions are going the way of the dinosaurs who perpetuate them. Most of us are on a dead gallop 24/7, stretched both timewise & economically. I LIKE my co-workers, but they are CO-WORKERS. I barely have time for my friends or family nowadays and I can't afford the gas to visit THEM very often, either. Send me the video of the party or upload it to UTube & I'll watch it when I finally get some down time.
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said this on 17 Nov 2008 10:13:09 AM EST
Dear All, let's keep in mind that for many companies this is all they do for their employees all year long, and they feel that their employees enjoy it so they keep doing it each year.
Even though you may not enjoy it because of your social calendar and your many reasons, there are employees who can't wait for these events because they don't have the close bond family circle you have. They may not have the personality you have that shy away from these events. Remember a company is made up of all types of personalities and there are personalities that feel that if these events do not occur then the company do not value them as an employee. I do believe its unfortunate when companies expect you to pay for any part of this event, but far be it for me to tell you how to react, I would suggest that you react based on your belief, your personality time, your needs and the culture of your company. But, as a person who plans events for my company, I hear and see the need for them and I also see the looks on our employees faces when these events are taken away. Miriam |
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said this on 18 Nov 2008 11:29:05 AM EST
I might be the odd person out here reading most of the responses, however I do feel that yes you should attend. A team player is a team player on and off the job. Its just a few hours and your bosses will know, expecially if you are in a high profile position. All opinions from your boss are not necessarily made on the job.
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said this on 19 Nov 2008 2:45:50 PM EST
The original question did state whether or not this was a holiday party or a team building event offsite. I have to side with Kristi and Mary Ann on this one. I am the one at our school that organizes our holiday party, back to school retreat for our faculty and staff twice a year. It is held during normal work hours and it is meant to be an opportunity for our employees to know how much we appreciate them, build community and also to help us focus on our mission and for us, that is the students. Hours of time are spent organizing and planning, not to mention the outlay of cash that the employer spends, which they could easily add to their own personal bonus. Whether we are in tough economic times or living in the land of fruit and plently, you should attend the event even if it is after hours.
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said this on 19 Nov 2008 9:01:55 PM EST
Back to the original question - please make your decision based on how your comfort level. It's your choice. As a HR Professional, we certainly don't want you to feel uncomfortable at a company function. Your attendance at company functions is or should be optional. Check your company policy or practice as it relates to functions. Speak with some of the employees who have been with the company for a long time to get an understanding of the culture. Have a happy holiday!
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said this on 28 Sep 2009 5:00:40 PM EST
The social events held by a company are still business events, so I would recommed that you at least put in an appearance. By not going to an event, you may be viewed by your boss as someone who is not a team player or anti-social. I know that if I will myself to have a good time, I usually do. Attitude means a lot. So smile, appreciate that the Company offered such an event (some companies do not offer social events or holiday parties and they parties are missed when they are taken away), and have a good time.
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